it's like jarvis out in california back in the late '70s. he's left schools destitute, left institutions destitute. you can't come in and play this kind of a game when everything has changed in america and this time everything has changed because it's all coming to pass on december 31sst and grover babe is losing a person a day and he knows it. so what does he use to cover that? cutesies. little smart alecs. i know that. i don't know who else does that. i haven't done that. he is becoming irrelevant. and you can see it in his eyes. he knows the game is up. because good people of good faith have decided that instead of being republicans, or democrats, they're americans. and instead of being beholden to grover norquist, and the aarp, they're beholden to the united states of america. those guys are going to take their lumps. >> alan simpson, do you think there's going to be a deal? >> well, my friend erskine, the numbers guys, he does the numbers and i do the color, when he says he doesn't think we're going to get a deal -- let me tell you, he'